Let’s Talk About The Kiss Heard Round The Harley Quinn Animated World

BFF Harley & Ivy sharing drinks in a past season two episode

When posting my review for Harley Quinn S2:E7 “There’s No Place To Go But Down” I intentionally avoided discussing the kiss. I didn’t want to spoil others seeing that pivotal moment in the episode and series, but more time has now passed (and hopefully those interested have seen the episode), so I do have many thoughts on what happened and want to expand.

So many things to cover on essentially less than one minute of animated film. It’s power packed emotional seconds in film.

If you haven’t seen S2:E7 yet, and want to, this post is one you should probably come back to after watching the entire episode. If you have, then this is where we’ll discuss the kiss.

… you’ve been warned, SPOILERS ahead …

Harley and Ivy’s kiss was long overdue, yes, but Harley Quinn ended up delivering it within the context of a story that made it impossible not to understand their love as anything but deeply felt and like something that’s going to last. The one sad thing, though, is that someone’s going to have to let Kite Man know that…it’s just not going to work out for him again.

Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy Kiss: DC Animated Finally Did It

So here are some screen caps of the kiss and the aftermath, however brief, but telling.

The kiss appears very passionate and definitely in the moment

Cheating on Kite Man with Harley sure looks very bad for these two very close characters, but maybe it’s something that happened in the moment that neither could resist. That they’ve been wanting to do this before Kite Man was ever in the picture and the emotional moment of Ivy saving Harley from the fall in the pit was what triggered this passionate moment.

Now, take a look at their immediate reaction afterwards:

Shock? Dismay? Guilt? Realization that their friendship just went to a whole new level?

No doubt that they both look … something. What did we just do? That’s the caption, I guess.

Now watch the entire scene in its entirety to absorb the full scene:

When it is over as the end credits roll, it’s complete silence as if to pay tribute to … what, Kite Man?

The obvious missing third wheel.

Where is Kite Man?

The scene would have played even more dramatic if it panned to Kite Man watching this happen.

Maybe that emotional betrayal moment still happens in some way in the next episode? Or maybe this is a topic that neither Harley or Ivy discuss right away, they backburner it out of guilt? We don’t know how it is all going to play out yet.

I found it curious that the episode didn’t cover Kite Man at all, other than a brief couple sentences from Ivy saying how she finally found someone she wanted to marry and was stuck in a pit. At least part of Ivy’s motivation, with her friend Harley helping, was to get out so Ivy could get to her future married life with Kite Man.

Our “Hell Yeah” friend, Kite Man, is completely absent from the trial. Why didn’t they pan to him in the audience at least? Maybe he’s crying when the sentencing is read(?). Wouldn’t he be standing by his lover, Ivy? Where was he? What could be more important in his life than being there? Again, we haven’t been told, so hopefully these questions are answered in a future episode. His absence in this episode is puzzling and problematic because viewers are going to feel badly for him. He didn’t do anything wrong and he’s being cheated on.

Ivy needs to talk to Kite Man and explain she has deeper feelings for Harley than just friends. Maybe Ivy has strong feelings for both of them, but she needs to make a choice … or maybe she’ll choose to live happily ever after with both. This is 2020, why not?

I think the titles of the remaining episodes leave a clue as to what might happen, so for those interested, you can seek out those title names on the future schedule on our TV Series Reviews page and draw your own conclusions.

So far the show has done an amazing job telling the story and I, too, would like to be surprised.

Do I want Kite Man and Ivy to get together over Harley and Ivy? I think the crowd pleasing favorite is Harley & Ivy and that would be more in line with the comics, but this series is playing fast and loose with the characters and history, so who knows? They are killing off established characters and essentially creating their own DC Universe.

I’m hoping whatever happens there remains energy and interest for more seasons. The producers discussed having ideas for future seasons if Warner Bros. will greenlight additional seasons, so I think the creative team would be up to it. Even if Warner Bros. came out today and said another season was approved, I’m guessing we wouldn’t see it until at least 2022.

But if they can finance $20-30+ million to release the Snyder Cut, they surely can approve more seasons of this excellent show. It might be smart from a business standpoint to see how the whole HBO Max launch goes later this month and reassess where DC Universe sits, too, when the pandemic winds down more. That’s a fair guess of where this is likely headed.

What did you think of Harley & Ivy’s kiss?

Was this just a brief moment in time where they did something they won’t ever do again? Will they ultimately end up together? Or is it a threesome with Kite Man? Whatever we speculate, we’ll probably be at least partly wrong, but it can be fun to guess where things might be headed.

Harley Quinn Season 2, Episode 8 debuts tomorrow exclusively on DC Universe, Friday May 22, 2020 @ 6am PT (GMT-8). Review to follow.

Those Polled Say Temp Taken and More Hand Sanitizer Make Them More Likely To Revisit Movie Theater

Man poisoned in an anthology short story season 1 of Bloodride

Polls can say anything they want.

Depending on who’s taking them, how the poll is worded. Remember, the polls overwhelmingly declared Donald Trump had no chance winning against Hillary Clinton.

So, yeah, I’m a little jaded on polls. However, this EDO poll is a little more optimistic about moviegoers returning to theaters if they feel safe.

What’s key to note in the latest survey from EDO is that when respondents were polled initially, they were asked outright if they’d return to cinemas. Those responses drew a near split reaction between likely (40%) and unlikely (36%). However, with the implementation of their desired safety measures, the rate of respondents who said that they were likely to return increased significantly from 40% to 75%. Eighty percent of the EDO sample said the ability to RSVP seats also was a positive factor contributing to their decision to head back to the cinema.

Movie Theaters Reopening Survey: Majority Would Go If Safety Measures In Place – Deadline

Having hand sanitizer stations everywhere and plexiglass guards on the headrests doesn’t prevent someone with COVID-19 from sneezing outside a mask into the air and it being circled around inside the theater.

Not trying to rain on any safety standard parade, but this was covered in a scene in a movie already quite effectively (see: Will Social Distancing by Movie Theaters Truly Provide More Protection Against Viral Infection?)

I’m onboard with checking temps, enforcing masks, putting up plexiglass guards (as long as they don’t obstruct viewing), selling to 50% capacity so every other chair or more enforce distancing — all of this sounds good, but I’m practical understanding that the risk is still there and no matter how much safety is employed some percentage of moviegoers will not return to movie theaters.

Some may never return.

Although not a guarantee, because my work and life schedule might prevent this, but as soon as I know Regal Cinemas are open in our area showing movies, I’ll be there, whatever safety measures they’ve put in place. Wife and I both will be there.

We love and miss the movie theater experience. We love that more than are afraid we’ll contract COVID-19 from another moviegoer. Neither of us want to get sick, but we have been working the entire time this pandemic happened. We’re interacting with people through work, some in close proximity, so we’ve been running the risk of getting sick all along.

My thinking is if I can get sick at work, using precautions, I might as well not change my entertainment lifestyle too much. Movie theaters, restaurants, concerts, casinos, yes, going to visit them all. Can’t just work and stay at home. That’s not living life. I’m getting out there and doing something.

Sure, it puts me at greater risk doing many of these things I enjoy, but living life fearing death is pointless. We’re all going to die sooner or later. Heck, we’re dying right now. There is an internal clock called aging that never loses. Why spend another day confined to your home when you can get outside and breathe in fresh air, head to the mountains or ocean or lake? Watch birds flying, climb a tree, hike a trail. Plenty of activities outside that don’t involve other people, if that’s your thing.

Rent or Buy Scoob! as it debuts on VOD

Scooby, Scooby Doo, we know where are you this weekend — on VOD (AKA as PVOD) and there is something unique about this formerly planned wide release theater movie going straight to streaming. See pictured above and headline.

It’ll cost you $19.99 to rent it or $24.99 for a purchase. Crikey. For a 94 minute children’s movie with sniffy reviews, I’d personally go for a rental before committing the additional $5, but the choice is yours. I appreciate that rapid release requires Warner Bros. to hike the price in order to recoup costs but still, both these prices seem a bit steep. If you’ve got money to burn though or lockdown’s become that boring, Scoob! might be for you.

How And Where To Watch Scoob! Online This Weekend

When Trolls World Tour launched I mentioned how paying $19.99 was a no brainer for a rental with our grandchildren wanting to watch, but wished we could outright buy it.

Seems like somebody must have realized this with Scoob! because for $5 more it can be owned forever. Even if the movie isn’t that good, this option for an extra five bones is encouraging.

Anybody seen Scoob yet? Good, bad, indifferent? No spoiler reviews are welcome in the comments.

COVID-19 Parties? Proof That Not All Human Life Is Intelligent

Outbreak ⭐️⭐️⭐️

Whenever you doubt the stupidity of some human beings, look no further than those organizing and attending these so-called COVID-19 parties.

Yes, parties designed for attendees to intentionally contract the virus from infected.

Health officials in Walla Walla, Washington, are admonishing the sudden rise in so-called “Covid-19 parties” where non-infected guests mingle with those who have tested positive for the virus, ostensibly in hopes of speeding up the process of catching, and overcoming, the virus.

‘It’s irresponsible’: Washington state sees sudden rise in Covid parties | World news | The Guardian

(Why does this have to come out of the state where we live, anyway? Sigh)

These parties aren’t unprecedented in history, as the linked article indicates. There were ‘Pox’ parties too, once upon a time.

The Simpsons have always had forward thinking humor. Proof that this show has had some of the best writers in entertainment.

Seriously, people, please don’t attend COVID-19 parties. Doubtful that anybody reading this would consider attending one, but if you are stopping by to say you’re all about it. Please use the comments to explain why. Won’t hold my breath, but hey, the internet is a big place.

I don’t mind making a PSA for this. If someone wants to be part of a scientific experiment, then contact those who are developing vaccines and offer to be a COVID-19 human guinea pig. God bless anybody wanting to help in the process of developing a vaccine. That is intelligent and helpful.

Judging #Avatar sequels by @officialavatar Twitter Followers Makes No Sense, Sorry @eric_ital

Brobible Senior Writer Eric Ital wrote a hit piece mocking Avatar for having less than 133,000 Twitter followers and pointing out that Twitter has been in existence over 11 years.

So …?

Readers following Ital’s screed, which makes zero sense considering metrics for movie success, should probably skip over the author’s own Twitter account — but I won’t. Stay with me.

It is a curious criticism of the movie, Avatar, and its four sequels in production (all one billion dollars worth!?!). Will give it that.

We’re talking about the second-highest grossing movie of all-time, a movie whose sequel James Cameron thinks will outgross Avengers: Endgame and one of their primary social media accounts has fewer followers than BroBible! When the first movie came out, Twitter didn’t even exist — now, here we are 11 years later, and not only has a sequel yet to be released, but their Twitter feed has the following of an A24-produced indie drama (no disrespect to A24, of course, those are my fucking dudes). They don’t even own the @Avatar handle! An absolute clown show.

The Official ‘Avatar’ Twitter Account Has Less Than 125K Followers

Ital’s self-professed “one man crusade” against the movie for Twitter followers leaves me wondering how or why this would be any sort of fair metric evaluating the potential success or failure of the movie itself? Seriously, who judges movies this way?

Why would anybody judge a movie this way?

If a studio simply throws up a Twitter account and isn’t very active, they aren’t going to have that many Twitter followers. That’s reality in the world of social media follows.

The article’s author never explains how or why this sort of metric should matter in any logical way, whatsoever, because, well, it doesn’t. It’s the type of clickbait bullshit angst article that are vomited daily upon the internet. Our eyes are the toilet bowl of 2020, no thank you.

Let me try and help out Mr. Ital. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and just fill in whatever you want, followers are not a measurement of how good or bad movies have been or will ever be. At best it might represent one measurement of how good or bad marketing on a given social media service performed.

Does anybody seriously think James Cameron gives two craps about Twitter followers for Avatar? Hint: see the first sentence of his recent tweet:

Just in case you need more evidence. James Cameron’s official Twitter has over 718,000 followers, joined in January 2011 and made a mere 170 tweets.

Clearly, Cameron isn’t a Luddite. He believes in Twitter, but he doesn’t use it very often. He cared enough to sign up for it relatively early in the game because he’s an intelligent man.

Now, let’s compare to the article author’s Twitter profile, because these kinds of comparisons make just about as much sense (not!).

Given, the author isn’t one of the most famous and successful directors of all time, he’s just some random “senior writer” at an internet publication, but hey, he’s really into Twitter. He knows all about Twitter based on his flame-ridden piece. He knows how to judge Twitter as the all-knowing, all-seeing prophecy behind whether or not something is going to be good or bad based on Twitter followers.

So, he must have at least a few thousand Twitter followers himself, yes? He must have been on Twitter for years, yes? Must be heavily active and marketing his own articles (despite his own admitting that in many articles he doesn’t give a shit how many people have read them), since all this would be a justification for his business success, yes?

No, no, no.

Look, I don’t know you, Mr. Ital. You might be a great writer and 100% right that Avatar 2 and the other sequels, if we ever get to see them, will not be as successful as Cameron and company hope.

In fact, I’m a bit skeptical of Avatar sequel success myself (see: Even if Avatar 2 sucks, the Mercedes Vision Avtr looks amazing). However, I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever — not in 11+ years of Twitter existence — measure any movie’s sales potential based on social media followers. Not even with snark or lopsided humor. That’s any social media service you want to pick out and use … Twitter, Facebook, Insta, whatever.

Just for transparency, here is my Twitter account:

Now, by the article author’s logic, guess I’m godawful at Twitter, too, with my paltry 4009 followers since joining in July 2010. This isn’t my first Twitter account, either, my tech account joined even sooner (I was in on the beta of Twitter, actually, but that’s a story for another blog and another day), but this account is the one I use most these days. You can see that I do try to follow back most of those who follow me. I figure that’s the courteous thing to do.

Nevermind that I’ve made piss-all effort to grow followers or promote followers in 10 years and have made only about 700 more tweets than the Brobible article’s author, but in 9 years more time! Perhaps, Mr. Ital will have many more followers than me when he has used Twitter for 10 years, and he most certainly will have more tweets, but who cares? What does any of this mean?

Nothing. Gas tank bone dry. Septic system just pumped. Lake drained.

My point is simple, I’m OK with bashing movies for sucking if someone feels that way after seeing it. I’m even OK with bashing a movie’s marketing and promotion (is that what’s happening here?). Go ahead and bash the idea of a sequel, although a sequel for the second biggest box office success of all time does make financial and logical sense. An audience is there. It’s a big world with lots of movie idea possibilities.

But I can’t get on bashing a movie based on the number of social media followers. Unless it’s all about clickbaiting, of course. And now I’m guilty of not only taking the bait but promoting it, so double dog shame on me.

In defense of Mr. Ital, he does admit he hates Avatar. So, using hate for motivation maybe number of Twitter followers for the Avatar account does make sense. And it gave me something humorous to riff off this morning, I guess, so thank you.

I digress. This isn’t about the article author or me. Let’s focus on the movie itself. Will it be successful? Who fricking knows?! Logic would suggest that if James Cameron directs a movie about someone taking a dump in an outhouse, it will sell tickets. He’d probably shoot that movie from inside the hole with some kind of smell-o-vision tech in hyper-3D and millions would flock to watch it.

Seriously, seriously.

We haven’t seen Avatar 2 yet. We won’t get to until December 2021. If it is delayed due to the pandemic, that’s not the fault of James Cameron and company, it’s what many movies are doing these days.

The main point of this post isn’t to bash the author for hating on a movie and its associated franchise — hate away, I support any critic’s right to love or hate a film — it’s to challenge the concept of social media followers having really anything to do with a movie’s business potential. If the movie is good, there will be people with millions of Twitter followers promoting it — for free. Movies don’t absolutely need Twitter accounts or heavy tweet marketing to be successful. Yes, it helps getting social media buzz around a movie, which I think is the fundamental premise behind the criticism in the linked article.

As always, I welcome contrarian viewpoints, just please keep it civil in the comments area. I don’t want to have to call upon my small number (not my opinion, by the way, I’m grateful to have 1 interested follower) of 4,009 followers on Twitter to rough anybody up 😉

James Bond Villains by Zodiac Sign

Libra and Sagittarius. I’m the former, Kara is the latter. I’ll have to show her which villain that Screenrant thinks she’ll be versus me, the leader of SPECTRE (muhahahahaha!)

The villains in James Bond are nothing short of iconic. From the devilish Jaws to the manipulative Trevelyan to the sadistic Zorin, Bond villains are on a terrifying level of their own

Which James Bond Villain Are You Based On Your Zodiac Sign?

The villains are a big part of a great James Bond film. The next villain making his debut in Bond 25 No Times To Die is being played by Rami Malek (see: Daniel Craig’s Last James Bond Movie No Time To Die Features Ecovillain)

What villain is your zodiac sign?

VOD Doesn’t Compete With Movie Theaters, Says Alamo Drafthouse Founder

Thankfully in 2020 there are still some theater chain owners unafraid of VOD.

“Cinema is not competing against VOD. It’s not competing against home entertainment. It’s competing against restaurants, comedy clubs and out-of-home experiences,” said League, over Zoom, after sharing, “At Arthouse Convergence years ago, Ira [Deutchman] gave a keynote address about the long history of the death of it, from television to cable to VHS to DVD, and everything had been wrong so far. People inherently as a society want to get out of the house and that is more true than ever right now.

Alamo Drafthouse Founder Tim League:
“Cinema Is Not Competing Against VOD”

League is sort of correct. The bolding in the quote above is mine. It’s important to understand the movie theater experience is different than the at-home viewing experience. I’ve detailed the differences several times in the past here.

The other thing to understand is how much people are willing to pay for live events vs. pre-recorded events.

Movies are not epic live sports matches.

$100 is too expensive for watching a new movie. Studios might (crazily) try this price point and there might be some equally crazy takers, but the numbers won’t be there.

I don’t see how movies will ever be comparable to live events.

A play is a live event, but I can’t even see paying $100 to watch a play streamed live. In person, sure, if the seats are good, but not on TV. Live is, well, live. Something recorded and edited just has a different value to it. Not the same entertainment experience.

Sports are different. You need to see them live so you can share in the result. Like when Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield’s ear in their famous rematch (yes, we paid for this pay per view and saw this live)

Mike Tyson goes into full Dracula mode on Evander Holyfield … this PPV was crazy entertaining!

Kevin Smith thinks the only way Black Widow goes straight to VOD instead of a theatrical run is if it Disney/Marvel could get $100 for the VOD. Sorry, but no way. $19.99 is a stretch (see: Yes, Some Are Paying $20 to Rent New Movies – But Is This The Right Price Point?), this isn’t a one of a kind live pay per view sporting event (which is about the only type of event that can command that kind of money).

In fact, he predicts it would force movie studios to abandon the theater model altogether. “If we all did that, that would change the world,” he said. “They’d be like, ‘F*ck movie theaters! Sell them these movies for $100 a pop.’” Considering the average movie ticket is $10 to $12, that’s a hefty price jump. Sure, people love the Marvel movies and flock to see them in droves. But do they love them enough to drop a cool hundred just to rent one?

Kevin Smith Bluntly Explains The Only Way That ‘Black Widow’ Could Ever Go Straight To VOD

Even if the pandemic renders movie theaters a place not as many will be going — we will be there as soon as they reopen — overpriced VOD/PVOD will not be the future.

I think the $19.99 price point was tested with Trolls World Tour. Any higher and the number of people that sign up will fall. This isn’t a Mike Tyson boxing event, which, ironically, he seems to be tooling up to box again in exhibition matches for charity. Would I pay to see $100 to see Tyson-Holyfield III live? Probably not, but $50 seems like an instant purchase.

No idea if that would ever happen, but if you think I’m just floating out fictional events, check your news feed with a search on Mike Tyson.

As for movies pushing VOD pricing? I think we’ve seen the ceiling. It’s $20, maybe a little higher. That isn’t going to generate a billion in 2020. This means we can expect to see movie theaters open again and showing new blockbuster movies. More and more people will come back to the theaters for a wide variety of reasons (see: One Big Reason Why Movie Theaters Will Be OK Compared To Streaming)

Summer will get hot and, hopefully, we’ll see theaters open again. July 17, 2020 seems like a target date we’ll be able to watch Tenet in theaters. Sure, that could change, but as of this writing anyway, that date — unless there are more pandemic setbacks — seems at least a little possible.